April Come She Will (Simon & Garfunkel)
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One of my favorite S&G tunes as well.
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April Come She Will (Simon & Garfunkel)
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Well, young lady, that was a popular song in of the college coffeehouses I frequented back in those days. Thanks for bringing it to my attention again. The folks who sang it did not do it as well as Art and Paul, but it was lovely nevertheless.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
April Come She Will (Simon & Garfunkel)
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One of my favorite songs of my youth- April Come She Will. From Simon & Garfunkel's Sounds of Silence Album, 1966. I loved the song then when I was 12, but it's even more meaningful to me now that I'm older.
Written by Paul Simon, usually sung by Art Garfunkel.
Lyrics:
April, come she will When streams are ripe and swelled with rain May, she will stay Resting in my arms again
June, she'll change her tune In restless walks she'll prowl the night July, she will fly And give no warning to her flight
August, die she must The autumn winds blow chilly and cold September, I'll remember A love once new has now grown old
Truly a timeless song.
Here is Art Garfunkel singing it in 1966:
...and here he is singing it 55 years later, at age 80 , in 2021...Incredibly beautiful.
Reasons NOT To Get a Chromatic
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I know I'm bringing up an old thread, but - oh well. I play guitar, clawhammer banjo and am now learning dulcimer. When I learn a mountain instrument, such as clawhammer banjo or dulcimer, I want to learn and play it the way the the original players played it. I guess I want to learn the tradition, keep it, and maybe add a personal touch here and there. But "old school" tradition is very important to me. So, if I want chromatic, guitar or banjo is the way to go for me. With clawhammer banjo, I thought of transferring it to guitar - but why? It was made for banjo. With a dulcimer I want that lovely sweet sound of the mountains and to keep the tradition alive as best I can. I don't want to make them into something modern and into something they are not. There are plenty of hybrids instruments - banjo dulcimers, guitar banjos, etc. out there if you want to come into the up to date modern world.
So, in my mind, let a guitar be a guitar, let a banjo be a banjo and let a dulcime be a dulcimer.
The Joy of Sharing Dulcimer
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How serious can you get with a recorder? See the following:
J.S. Bach Toccata & Fuge d-Moll BWV 565 arr. for recorder orchestra
Berliner Blockflöten Orch
Dietrich Schnabel - Symphony 1, mvmt 4
Three Irish traditional - Quinta Essentia Recorder Quartet & Paul Leenhouts I Quarteto Flauta Doce
Quinta Essentia Quarteto
The Joy of Sharing Dulcimer
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I suspect that the recorder over tin whistle choice is often snob-ism. The American Recorder Society says
"Rather than a mere toy, an educational aid, or a simple musical instrument suitable only for amateurs, the recorder is a vehicle for serious musical expression demanding years of dedicated study. It has a long and interesting history and can lay claim to an extensive and highly varied repertoire spanning eight centuries. It has always enjoyed a particularly rich representation in literature, drama, painting and sculpture."
https://americanrecorder.org/about_the_recorder.php
Similarly, four year olds should be given lessons on the violin or piano, not the dulcimer.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HAVING FUN OR ENJOYING MUSIC! (Or learning to count.)
As a result, where I live you can buy a recorder in a "dollar store" for $1.25 whereas you have to go to a music store to buy a tin whistle for $9.95.
Confused about Sharps and Flats
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To give a specific example of how key and temperament affect notes on the dulcimer, if you had 3 dulcimers built to be tuned (EBE) and
one was "equal temperament"
one was "mean tone temperament"
one was "just intonated"
G# would be flatter on the "just intonated" dulcimer than it is on the equal temperament dulcimer
G# would be sharper on the "meantone" dulcimer than it would on the equal temperament dulcimer.
That is not a common tuning, but it is an example of one where G# is quite different for each temperament, since you mentioned G#.
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Strumelia:
I've always wondered why schools don't use penny whistles instead of recorders. They are cheaper and are based on a simpler counted-hole method of scales, like the dulcimer is. I've noticed a distinct similarity between dulcimers and p.whistles in terms of playing different modes- both are based upon the ionian mode, with aeolian being quite accessible as well. (ionian home on 3rd fret dulcimer, 3rd hole whistle) Both are easily played in the most common keys as well. P.whistles would certainly be much more portable and durable for kids to take for practicing at home.
I think a tin whistle can be a really abrasive sound in the hands of a new player. When I started on tin whistle, I didnt have any breath control and would always waver in and out of pitch or blow too hard and hit the higher octave. Luckily it was just my cats who had to be there for that learning experience, but they made it very clear that they were worried about me xD
At least a plastic recorder, as much as I don't like the sound, is a bit quieter and less sharp of a tone. I can imagine that children who are genuinely interested could benefit a lot from learning tin whistle, but that the average 3rd grader, if given a tin whistle, would be a true menace xD
Confused about Sharps and Flats
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It depends on what temperament is being used, as Skip also mentioned. In equal temperament, G# is the same as Ab. There are other temperaments (systems of tuning used at different points of history and/or in different cultures) where G# may not be the same as Ab.
In addition to that, players of fretless or other instruments capable of microtones may choose to inflect notes depending on what follows them. For example, leading tones (like G# in the key of A) might be pushed sharper in order to accentuate that leading to the tonic.
To complicate things further, due to acoustical physics of various instruments, there are often tuning peculiarities regardless of what temperament the instrument maker was going for. Clarinets, for example, overblow an interval of a 12th- but some fingerings end up producing wider or narrower 12ths, even on high end instruments. It's up to the player to be able to compensate for that. And of course some ears are more sensitive than others to even notice.
More than you probably wanted to know for your question!
Confused about Sharps and Flats
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It boils down to the fact that the frequencies of the notes are not exact/even and do not double [times 2] as is commonly accepted. This is the basic reason the frets are not evenly spaced and results in the 'Rule of 18' and '12th root of 2' for fret placement. I think 'wolf notes' are also part of this.
When the "G#" frequency approximately doubles, the frequency is not the same as the doubled frequency of the Ab. This difference is/can be audible.
When 'equal temperment' was developed, this difference was, essentially, eleminated.
Most of the other 'temperments' are attempts to modify this difference.
updated by @skip: 09/01/23 04:02:23PM
The Joy of Sharing Dulcimer
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You can purchase a plastic recorder or tin whistle for less than $3.00. A plastic ukulele can be had for $5.00 or less. The least expensive dulcimer kit in a quantity lot of 12 is $52 each and then you need to factor in the cost of building (labor, glue, paint or other finish, tools, etc.). Given tight budgets for the arts in education, which would you choose.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
updated by @ken-longfield: 09/01/23 01:25:04PM
Confused about Sharps and Flats
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I though I understood the whole sharp/flat thing but now I'm confused. I have always heard for example a G sharp was the same as a A flat. But now I hear that pitch wise they are different at least on a string instrument but not on a keyboard. Can someone help me understand? Thank you!
updated by @homer-ross: 09/02/23 12:49:28AM
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Cheap school instruments= plastic recorders, plastic ukeleles, cardboard dulcimers, plastic or metal p.whistles.
The Joy of Sharing Dulcimer
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I've always wondered why schools don't use penny whistles instead of recorders. They are cheaper and are based on a simpler counted-hole method of scales, like the dulcimer is. I've noticed a distinct similarity between dulcimers and p.whistles in terms of playing different modes- both are based upon the ionian mode, with aeolian being quite accessible as well. (ionian home on 3rd fret dulcimer, 3rd hole whistle) Both are easily played in the most common keys as well. P.whistles would certainly be much more portable and durable for kids to take for practicing at home.
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Bvmaestro:
Although the conversation happened a couple of years ago, I found the idea of replacing recorders with dulcimers interesting. I am finding that kids are aging with less fine motor skills. More students struggle even with the most simple recorder fingerings. I am looking at using dulcimers during my primary grades music instruction. As early as kindergarten, students will learn to count the frets (which correlates with the simple counting curriculum) while making music using the noter style. As they progress, they can learn to use fingering on the melody string to increase finger dexterity, and eventually chords. This would probably last through the second grade. At this point, then I can branch out to ukulele, recorders, guitars, etc. I will never replace recorder or ukulele, but the dulcimer will definitely prepare students for such making them invaluable in school music. Best part, kids will make music quickly and fall in love with it faster. I think I got the plan.
I find the idea of associating counting with musical notes to be fascinating for a developing mind, since they have different number bases (demical system being base 10, dulcimer base 7, 12 tone, well...12)
It's my opinion that 'music' is just a series of numbers or 'frequencies' that can be combined into equations or 'melodies/progressions' that our mind finds engaging. I've always been fascinated with research on how early exposure to music affects both math and language skills.
To me, it is very interesting that many mathematicians have suggested over time that a base 7 number system is more useful than a base 10 for some purposes, but we rely on base 10 simply because that is how many fingers we have. Well if a dulcimer is base 7 (with 7 notes to an octave) and they learn base 10 with counting, this might encourage children to have a more naturally elastic view of maths!
Information on luthier Larry Wilson?
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Haha, well while I'm definitely no expert in the standard behavior of woodworkers, but I do know that a lot of people have a grandfather who built a handful of dulcimers for friends and family, and when those get sold, it can be almost impossible to find info about them.
You do make a very good point. Dulcimers can come in different intonations (such as meantone or Just-intonated), or have a bridge setup for a tuning with a specific gauge of strings such as DAA, or AEA, so buying from an obscure luthier increases those risks.
Information on luthier Larry Wilson?
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NateBuildsToys:
I think it's somewhat common for skilled woodworkers to build a couple of dulcimers for fun, which then end up in circulation with very little info about their builder. I wonder if this may be like that.
Being pretty clueless about the standard behavior of woodworkers 
, I didn't even think of that, but it does sound Very Plausible from a purely logical standpoint.
It also sounds like I could end up with a specific variant of DAD involving dulcimers of obscure origin, so I should probably be careful about that...
updated by @sea-strings: 08/30/23 04:10:51PM
Information on luthier Larry Wilson?
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After trying to dig a bit, I came across several woodworkers with the name Larry Wilson, but couldn't find anything specifically about dulcimers from any of them. Whoever he is, he doesn't seem to have much online presence. I think it's somewhat common for skilled woodworkers to build a couple of dulcimers for fun, which then end up in circulation with very little info about their builder. I wonder if this may be like that.
updated by @nate: 08/30/23 03:08:49PM
Information on luthier Larry Wilson?
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@john-c-knopf Those Wilsons did pop up in my futile searching, and the inlay and pretty sound holes on their instruments do look lovely!
The only other leads I found on Googling are that there's a Larry Wilson Band (looks like a guitarist, but I suppose he could make dulcimers in his spare time), and this list of musical Larry Wilsons on last.fm , but that's it. The mysterious dulcimer-making Larry Wilson may yet remain mysterious...
Information on luthier Larry Wilson?
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Sorry, the only dulcimer luthiers I've come across named "Wilson" are Richard and Denise Wilson of Manitou Beach, MI. They did phenomenal work. He built the critters, then she did the beautiful inlay work. Don't think they're doing this any more.
Information on luthier Larry Wilson?
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Hello, dulcimerians!
Recently I've been poking around at the used dulcimer selection online, and I came across some dulcimers signed by Larry Wilson. There's not a lot of information on the listings, and Googling and searching the forums here hasn't revealed much either, so I thought I'd go ahead and ask: Anyone know of a luthier named Larry Wilson or anything about his instruments?
Thanks in advance for any help! 
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Nate's the only person in the world who can play Bile Dem Cabbage and make a jello mold with the same instrument.
How does your pet react to your Dulcimer playing?
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They must played that accordion really bad.
Dulcimernewbie:
Oh my goodness I thought I was the only one who's pets react to playing an instrument.It is very odd I have two cats one loves music the other one loathes it.I also play Piano and accordion.When I play any of those instruments along with the Mountain Dulcimer my one cat goes crazy to the point of my having to stop playing.
We got him as a kitten from the pound about 7 years ago he was badly abused.I am wondering if his previous owner played an instrument bringing back bad memories for him causing him to act this way.Or maybe my playing is really bad...gee..never thought of that. lol
Introduce Yourself!
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Thank you for your kind words everyone. I think this would make a great noter dulcimer and will look more into that style. Right now I am going through Patterns and Patchwork fingerpicking. I really like this book, as besides the picking she starts out simply using simple songs getting used to the I, IV, and V chords going up and down the fretboard with the IIm and VIm thrown in. I feel like I'm getting basic building blocks for the future. I will say, the 28.5 is a bit of a stretch for me. I see a 26 VSL in my future and that's a good thing!
Kurt Vonnegut quote...
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I am not really a Vonnegut fan, but this story inspired me years ago. It is so true that some things are worth doing because they are inherently interesting and fun. It doesn’t matter whether I am ever able to play like my idols (or willing to play in public at all). I can and should do them because I want to do them.
I have far more hobbies than most people. And some of them I do very well. People have asked me why I don’t turn them into a business (glass beads and carving tools). The answer is because the doing is the purpose. When I make someone else’s beads or blades, I lose the joy of making them.
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What a beautiful dulcimer Nightingale. I know it must be special to you. I like a long scale dulcimer for playing noter drone.
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@ken-longfield , consider yourself enrolled! And wait-- there's more: you're the outstanding member for the year of 2023! 
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Well, Robin, I've done both, perform weddings and played music at them. The latter is a lot easier. Now, can I enroll in this fan club?
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
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Nightingale, that's a nice looking dulcimer. It certainly cleaned up well. Those long scales (28.5") make for nice noter style playing. Have fun making that dulcimer sing again.
Ken
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Ken, I have downloaded you article and will read shortly - Strumelia, thanks for pointing it out to me.
Nate, it was great reburbing it. After 51 years in the basement it was dusty, dried out, grimy, etc. I'll post some pics of it cleaned and ready to go. Since its a 70 or 71 or so I have no idea who made it. Once it was cleaned up and oiled and I strung it up - I held my breath - will it sound good or no? Well it sounds lovely. Action is high, no 6.5 fret but I'll have the action fixed, I'm still having fun with it.
Here are a couple of pics all cleaned up with a new lustrous finish.
I have a feeling this won't be my only one as time goes on!
updated by @nightingale: 08/27/23 11:47:16AM
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Hey, since you've made me a minister, maybe I can perform weddings and you can play music at them-- how would that be!?!
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Okay backup plan. You are the minister of propaganda, all you have to do is comment under my songs that you enjoyed them. So far your service has been admirable!
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I have a bad hip and poor balance. So, perhaps I'll just fall into the undesirables before any actual shin kicking takes place.
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Well then its settled, Robin. You are the enforcer! Your job is to bounce the undesirables. I'll leave it to you to determine which shins you want to kick, and the full brunt force of FANS OF NATE (which I think is just us) will descend on them!
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I am guessing the satisfaction of restoring your instrument only added to the joy of playing it!
Welcome
-Nate
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Thanks, Robin, but I can't take credit for the video. Dave Holeton, a member here, edited the video and posted it to YouTube for us. Dave is our "official" leader for the Tuesday night Zoom group over at TTAD. We use the free Zoom time (40 minutes) and play 5 songs we agree to play for that week. Dave or whomever the leader is plays unmuted while the rest play along muted. In a sense we are playing a duet with the leader. Our Zoom meets begin at 8:30 p.m. Eastern time. The link is posted on Tuesdays at TTAD. Just click on it and wait to be let in to the meeting. It is fun and everyone is welcome.
Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."
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Hello everyone, I am new here and happy to be here. I've played stringed instruments for decades (guitar, acoustic and banjo - clawhammer and two-finger thumb lead style) and after seeing some amazing videos on Youtube, thought - that is one of the most lovely instruments I've ever heard, I must learn how to play it. My mother, back in '71 gave me a lovely mountain dulcimer out of the blue. Me and my friends were, well, that's cool, why did she give it to you and what do you do with it? So I recently pulled it out of the basement, reburbished it (I used to refinish wood many years ago) and its beautiful. One piece walnut back and sides, 28.5 scale, and I am loving it.
I look forward to learning from all of you, so, thanks for putting up with a newbie!
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@ken-longfield How neat you put together a video with you and your Zoom friends for PMOTPD-- it's wonderful!
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Nate, I thought about making it into an entire new Group... but of course then it might have confused everyone. 